Here’s how each cartridge compares directly to the others in general terms. You and I are largely in agreement about the .243. When I violated church doctrine by purchasing a .375 H&H Magnum, I received a proper scolding, as in dad’s mind, nothing more or less than .30-caliber was needed. That being said, while it does have a small edge in terms of sectional density, the 7mm-08 Remington doesn’t “punch above its weight” to nearly the degree of cartridges like the 6.5 Swede or 9.3x62mm Mauser. The fact that there is a 10 grain difference is irrelevant, as the 140 grain 7mm has a higher sectional density, and thus, a greater ability to penetrate than the 150 grain .30 cal. John. Reloading components for all three cartridges are also widely available. The U.S. Army went four-in-a-row with .30-caliber cartridges, starting with the .30-40 Krag, then the .30-03 Springfield, quickly changing to the .30-06 Springfield, ending with the 7.62x51mm NATO, or .308 Winchester. As a general rule, if your bullet can attain supersonic speeds of at least 1,125 feet per second, then the effects of outside forces on its trajectory will be rather minimal. again im looking for an all purpose hunting rifle. So where do we stand overall with these cartridges? going to be buying a new gun soon. Indeed, the .308 Winchester is the poster child for the short-action rifle. Both offer similar power levels, both are suitable for similar species and sizes of game animals and both make a perfect all-around rifle for nearly all hunting scenarios, save the thick-skinned heavyweights. All excellent points, thanks for your comment Brian. The .243 Winchester, 7mm-08 Remington, and .308 Winchester are all very popular hunting cartridges and ammo availability for them is generally not an issue during normal times. Jon has preached the virtues of the 7mm for as long as I can remember, including developing his own cartridge for the bore diameter. I would feel under gunned with any of the three hunting deer. I took my best feral hog and best whitetail with that combination. They’ll also fit the bill for a hunt in Africa or New Zealand. Get a good hunting rifle chambered in the cartridge that you think fits your needs the best, learn to shoot it well, use quality bullets, and you’ll be all set for most hunting situations. John. 7mm isn’t 7mm; it is actually 7.21mm. As an example, 150 grain and 160 grain .284″ bullets. Lastly what is the max range for each. Is the 7mm rem mag a short action ? The .308 Winchester is the most common and the least expensive, followed by the .243 Winchester and then the 7mm-08 Remington. On average, the 7mm wi… Do you primarily hunt medium sized game like feral hogs, pronghorn, or deer at ranges within 200 yards? The 7mm-08 uses heavier, larger diameter, and more aerodynamic bullets that have a higher sectional density, more frontal surface area, more resistance to wind drift, penetrate better, and carry more energy down range than the .243 Winchester. Most of the highly regarded bullet types specifically designed for big game hunting are available in those three cartridges as well like the Barnes TTSX, the Hornady ELD-X, GMX, InterLock, and SST, the Nosler AccuBond, E-Tip, and Partition, the Remington Core Lokt, and the Winchester Power Point. Maybe it doesn’t need to end, maybe there is room in the hunting world for both bore diameters, but they share so many qualities that hunters end up choosing between the two. The 7mm-08 Remington shoots lighter, smaller diameter, and more aerodynamic bullets with a higher sectional density faster than bullets used by the .308 Winchester. If you’d rather listen than read, you can either just press play below or click the appropriate link to download the episode through your preferred service. If you ever entertain the thought of reaching out to medium longrange, the 7mm will do it much better. Go with the .308 Winchester if you want the cheapest or easiest to find ammo or the .243 Winchester if you’re sensitive to recoil. Velocity wise, down-range energy retention wise and trajectory wise the magnum round has the edge but the .308 is still an excellent long distance shooter. I’m glad you enjoyed the article Michael. The Lyman 50th Edition (p159-162, p205-206, & p241-245), and Hornady 10th Edition (p231-237, p364-369 & p475-488) reloading manuals were also used as references for the history of the cartridges and provided data to compare their size. The .308 carries significantly more energy downrange than the other two cartridges. Since the .308 Winchester is the parent case for the .243 and 7mm-08, all three cartridges have the same rim .473″ diameter. Make sure you follow The Big Game Hunting Blog on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and YouTube. Those traits give hunters a tiny bit more room for error in shot placement when compared to the .243 Winchester and 7mm-08 Remington. After all, there’s a reason why they are such popular North American big game hunting cartridges. Are you very small framed or extremely sensitive to recoil? Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. Additionally, I recorded an entire podcast episode on this exact subject. Felt recoil will vary from shooter to shooter and rifle to rifle, but free recoil energy is still a useful way to compare cartridges. Yes, I’m really nitpicking the strengths and weaknesses of the these cartridges. Do you want a cartridge well suited to hunt bigger animals like elk, moose, red stag, kudu, or eland with during an Africa, Canada, or New Zealand hunting expedition? The superior ballistic coefficient of the 7mm-08 Remington helps give that cartridge an advantage over the two other cartridges in terms of wind drift. Are you looking for a great cartridge for mountain goat, bighorn sheep, tahr, or chamois hunting where a flat shooting and mild recoiling cartridge in a lightweight rifle is very desirable? The 7mm-08 case is just slightly longer than the parent .308—2.035 inches vs. 2.015 inches—but maintains the same 20-degree shoulder of the .308 Winchester. The 7mm Magnum has higher powder loads to push the bullet faster, flatter, farther, and is more accurate than the .308 at long distances. It's just that the 7mm-08 Remington a more ballistically efficient cartridge.Perhaps I should apologize for pointing this out so often (like in this blog.) The old 300 H & H come out for the Elk hunts. Before we get started, I have an administrative note: Some of the links below are affiliate links. The 160-grain Federal Trophy Bonded Tip works wonderfully in my .280 AI, the 140-grain Nosler AccuBond is perfect for the Tikka T3x Lite 7mm-08 Remington I take to the Catskill Mountains, and I had a ball using a Rigby Highland Stalker in .275 Rigby with Hornady’s 140-grain InterLock load. 6.5 Creedmoor A premium quality bullet from any of these cartridges will cleanly and quickly take bigger and tougher game like elk, black bear, and even moose at reasonable range. The 7mm-08 Remington and .308 Winchester (but particularly the .308) are both better hunting rounds for really big game animals due to their advantage in frontal surface area and kinetic energy. Using the same rifle, a 165gr Nosler Partition from the .308 Winchester has over twice the free recoil energy of the .243 Winchester. John. All three are great deer hunting cartridges will quickly and ethically kill deer sized game with good shot placement. For instance, the .308 Winchester isn’t a hard recoiling cartridges by any stretch of the imagination, but the .243 Winchester, and to a lesser extent, the 7mm-08 Remington both have very well deserved reputations for mild recoil. Therefore, the 7mm-08 has less recoil, a flatter trajectory, penetrates better, and has less wind drift at typical hunting ranges. If you’d like to read a more detailed discussion on how the .308 Winchester stacks up next to the .30-06 Springfield, read this article: 308 vs 30-06 vs 300 Win Mag: Which Cartridge Should You Be Hunting With? I could make that same argument here, but I’m not going to. 308″ bullets which have sectional densities of . Of course Remington and Winchester produce their flagship Model 70 and Model 700 rifles in .243 Winchester, 7mm-08 Remington, and .308 Winchester. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. They’re both more than powerful enough to ethically take deer sized game, but if you can handle the little bit of extra recoil (consider a recoil pad if necessary), go with the 7mm-08 Remington for added flexibility for hunting big game. Nosler provided the data used to compare the recoil of the cartridges (here, here, and here). They also meet the minimum caliber and bullet energy requirements for legally hunting deer sized game in just about every state and province in the United States and Canada. In last week’s caliber battle, I gave the nod to the .308 Win. The .243 Winchester Power Point load hits 6″ and 12″ higher than the same style bullet from the 7mm-08 and .308 respectively. Not surprisingly, all three cartridges have virtually the same case capacity. Predator and varmint rounds like the Hornady V-Max and Nosler Varmageddon are also commonly available for the .243 Winchester. All in all, a new hunter, or a diminutive one who’s been around a while, can’t go wrong with any of these 3. Fortunately for the .243 Winchester, Field & Stream editor Warren Page extolled the virtues of the .243 in his columns in a manner similar to what Jack O’Connor did for the .270 Winchester at Outdoor Life. vs. .340 Wby. The .308 shoots a wider slug, 7.62mm vs. .7mm, or in American caliberation: .30 caliber vs. .28 caliber. Copyright © 2020 Big Game Hunting Adventures LLC | All Rights Reserved. All three cartridges are very common in bolt-action rifles. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, b The same also goes for 90 and 100 grain .243″ bullets with sectional densities of .218 and .242 respectively. There are parallels in case capacity between the two bores. Wildcatters had been necking down the .308 Winchester to 7mm for years, but for reasons that aren’t totally clear, no company had ever standardized a 7mm cartridge based on the .308 until the Remington Arms Company released the 7mm-08 Remington in 1980. All other things equal, a heavier projectile of a given caliber will be longer and therefore have a higher sectional density and consequently penetrate deeper than projectiles with a lower mass and sectional density. 271 respectively. It would work, but I’d sure want somebody standing behind me with an actual DG rifle, just in case. Typical .308 bullets have more frontal surface area and carry more energy down range though. as well as 90-100 grain bullets for deer sized game with excellent accuracy. Upon returning home, at the ripe old age of 19, he purchased a Mossberg Model 800A bolt-action .308 Winchester, which still shoots very well in spite of a half-century of hard service. The 300WM AI mag feed the .284 just fine ( 3.20" OAL with 162 A-max). “It’s got bullets from 110 grains to 220 grains and will kill whatever you point it at. As usual, great analysis. Capable of shooting heavy as well as light bullets with very good accuracy, the .243 Winchester was also a great varmint hunting cartridge and successfully bridged the gap between traditional varmint cartridges of the day like the .22 Hornet and popular big game hunting cartridges like the .30-06 Springfield. The European 7x57 Mauser made a definite impression upon the U.S. in the Spanish-American War, and the case was the basis for the Springfield cartridges, but that 7mm bore diameter made a splash across Europe, Britain and the respective colonies. Shot placement is always important, but it’s even more vital when using a smaller cartridge like the .243 Winchester for hunting elk and other really large game. What is a better cartridge for elk and deer at about 500 yards. Book a great South Africa hunting safari here. For this reason, the .243 Winchester has less recoil and a flatter trajectory at typical hunting ranges. Think 7mm-08 Rem/.308 Winchester, .280 Remington/.30-06 Springfield, 7mm Remington Magnum/.300 Winchester Magnum, 7mm RUM/.300 RUM. 7mm-08 vs .308 win? What makes or breaks the deal, in order to choose one over the other? 308 vs 30-06 vs 300 Win Mag: Which Cartridge Should You Be Hunting With? The 7mm-08 Remington also generally uses higher SD and higher BC bullets that will penetrate deeper and more reliably, resist wind drift better, and do a better job of retaining energy at longer range than the .308 or .243. Additionally, the Browning X-Bolt, Kimber Hunter, Mossberg Patriot, Nosler M48, Ruger American, Ruger Hawkeye, Savage Axis, and Weatherby Vanguard are available in all three calibers. Note: while the case capacity figures listed below do give a good indication of the differences between the three cartridges, exact case capacities vary slightly according to the brand of brass used. Yes I took down my first elk at 150 yards with a .243, but I had been shooting every day for almost 6 years and new that particular gun’s strengths and weaknesses. As an example, 150 grain and 160 grain .284″ bullets have sectional densities of .266 and .284 respectively. Buy some great .308 Winchester hunting ammo here. I’ve been hunting with a 243 for antelope, mule deer, and Coyotes since 1975, but as much as I love that gun, I would never use it for Elk. The 7mm-08 loads have around 20-45% more muzzle energy (415-792 ft-lbs)than the .243 loads. I would buy a 7mm Mag and never look back. Regardless of whether you’re using a .243 Winchester, a 7mm-08 Remington, or a .308 Winchester, no pronghorn or deer will go far if you put a well constructed bullet into the vitals. i am looking at the Tika T3 in black synthetic with stainless barrel. As we previously discussed, the three cartridges fire bullets of drastically different sizes and weights: the .243 Winchester uses .243″ bullets, the 7mm-08 Remington uses .284″ bullets, and the .308 Winchester uses .308″ bullets. For most hunters, I don’t think the .30-06’s other good points are enough to outweigh the 7mm … They also have very similar maximum SAAMI pressures of 60,000, 61,000, and 62,000psi respectively. On Thanksgiving Day 1993, a hunting buddy deemed it too cold out to sit for deer, and insisted I took his Remington 7400 chambered in .280 Remington. Buy some high quality 7mm-08 Remington hunting ammo here. I have a dedicated black bear rifle in the 358 Winchester. Monday, May 18, 2020. Great read. I’d spend a bunch of time behind the trigger of the .308 and .300 Winchester, as well as the .300 H&H, with no complaints whatsoever. Though the .308 Winchester developed a reputation for accuracy, power, and efficiency with hunters and shooters, wildcatters and gun designers started modifying the .308 Winchester to develop new and more specialized cartridges almost immediately after it hit the market. Go with the .308 Winchester as there are many more quality rifles available in this cartridge than the .243 Winchester or 7mm-08 Remington. So where are the major sticking points between the two calibers? Most conventional ammunition will top out at 175 grains, though, unless you’re looking at a serious long-range setup. Mag.• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington• 7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington• .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum• .338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum• .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington• .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage• .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington• .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser• .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum• .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield• .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie• .300 Win. If you’d like to read a more detailed discussion on how the .308 Winchester stacks up against two cartridges that used a necked up .308 Winchester case in the .338 Federal and .358 Winchester, read this article: 338 Federal vs 308 Winchester vs 358 Winchester: What You Need To Know. In a 0.308 round in use, 7mm-08 takes a close second place in polarity with 0.243 Winchester is taking the first spot. The 7mm rem mag is #1 and the 30-06 is a close second. I absolutely love the entire family the 308 Winchester has produced! At the same time, due to the fact that the cartridge uses the most aerodynamic bullets, the 7mm-08 loads retain a greater percentage of their muzzle energy at long range than the .243 or .308. Supposedly weatherby SA vs LA action alone is almost a lb. Prices and availability vary, but ammunition for all three cartridges is widely available. although i dont wanna go to overboard but i dont want cheap stuff. Onsale 7mm 08 Vs 308 Rifle And Best All Weather 308 Rifle 7mm 08 Vs 308 Rifle And The .30-06 Springfield has been one of the most popular and effective hunting cartridges in North America ever since it first hit the civilian market in the early years of the 20th Century. Experiments with necking down the .308 to shoot smaller, .243″ bullets yielded one of the first (if not the very first) cartridges descended from the .308 Winchester in 1955: the .243 Winchester. I have a dedicated coyote/target rifle in the 243 Winchester. Rigby renamed the 7x57mm to the .275 Rigby, and Holland & Holland had a .275 H&H Magnum in 1912, months prior to the .375 H&H Magnum; the 7mm bullet diameter was here to stay. You can see some of the similarities and differences between the .243 Winchester, the 7mm-08 Remington, and the .308 Winchester cartridges in the photo below. Remington renamed the .244 the 6mm Remington a few years later and started producing rifles with a 1:9 twist rate, but the damage had already been done and the .243 Winchester was already well established and had claimed the majority of the 6mm centerfire rifle market share. While each of the three cartridges offer certain benefits to hunters, it’s still easy to get confused when trying to understand their true strengths and weaknesses. They are all very accurate, relatively flat shooting, and hit hard enough for use on a variety of game at reasonable hunting ranges. I am thinking about getting a .308 or a 7mm rem mag. Some people do handle recoil better than others, but all other things being equal, they will absolutely shoot more accurately with a milder recoiling cartridge. For example, when fired from a Ruger American rifle, a 140gr Nosler Partition from the 7mm-08 has nearly 75% more free recoil energy than a .243 Winchester load firing an 85gr Nosler partition. I think I’m bringing my 9.3×62 with me, though I’m still toying with the idea of my 6.5×55 or my 7mm-08. And .308 isn’t 7.62mm, it’s 7.82mm. Let’s take a closer look. They’re outstanding for hunting small to medium sized game, but all three cartridges are also perfectly capable of doing the job on bigger game as well. I also know hunters and shooters who are equally fervent about the 7mm bore diameter. On the other hand, the .243 has less recoil and (usually) a flatter trajectory at common hunting ranges. 7mm-08 Rem vs .308 Win – Cartridge Comparison | Sniper Country Very few of the deer I've killed with these three were over 300 yards. With good bullets and good shot placement, the 7mm-08 will certainly do the job on elk and would probably be my #1 recommendation for a novice hunter going after elk. At long range, the 7mm Magnum bullet will have more knock down power than the .308 and will have more shoulder recoil (sometimes much more recoil) depending upon the loads (amount of powder and weight of the bullet slug to be shot). Re: 284 winchester vs 7mm-08 I used to owned a .284 that was build by APA with their action (which is made by Defiance). The sectional density of the 7mm bullets of comparable weight gives them an advantage over the .30s, though the additional weight and frontal diameter of the .30 caliber projectiles swing the pendulum back the other way. If we take a look at the cartridge specs of the 7mm Rem Mag vs.30-06, we see that there are some key differences that are going to influence how these rounds behave. by Philip Massaro - The .308 Winchester is an excellent cartridge, but that hasn’t stopped wildcatters from attempting to improve upon it over the years in various ways. The 308 is actually the commercial designation of the 7.62x51mm NATO cartridge. Finally, typical .308 Winchester factory loads use bullets in the 110-180 grain range. All three cartridge are used in short-action rifles. The 7mm-08 is an excellent cartridge for everything you might want to hunt in North America, except for big Alaskan browns. They eventually settled on the 7.62x51mm NATO round in the 1950s. The.30-06 is, as the name implies, a 30 cal bullet with a.308” diameter bullet while the 7mm Rem mag is slightly smaller at.284”. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. All other things equal, a heavier projectile of a given caliber will be longer and therefore have a higher sectional density and consequently penetrate deeper than projectiles with a lower mass and sectional density. All three are far more accurate than I am… and I get moa from the entire group. Good luck! The rifle I was looking at was a Ruger 6909 youth model for both my wife and step daughter to share. All three cartridges also have the same 20 degree shoulder angle. The .243 Winchester cartridge most often uses bullet weights in the 55-115 grain range, with 55, 87, 90, and 100 grain bullets being the most common. Buy some outstanding .243 Winchester hunting ammo here. However, the .308 carries more energy downrange than and, since it has a larger bullet diameter, has significantly more frontal surface area than the other two cartridges. Mag.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. Cause i like how the .308 has a shorter barrel. The 7mm-Remington is relatively widely used as well, but really lags behind the other two. Thanks for the comment, These factors make the cartridge more forgiving of range estimation errors and help maximize the shooting abilities of the hunter to a greater extent than the other two cartridges. Were I to make that decision, the choice would easily be for the .308. Even discounting the extremely high velocity 55gr .243 varmint load as an outlier, the .243 still shoots a lot flatter than the other cartridges. While we hunters often feel the need to quantify every little aspect of our ammunition, I feel confident saying that if a bullet of either caliber—if of appropriate sectional density and construction to ensure proper penetration—is placed in the vital organs, few game animals will be able to tell the difference. If you’re the type of hunter who wants just one big-game rifle—and there is nothing wrong with that—I definitely give the advantage to the .30 caliber. Their shared heritage is evident and the three cartridges are identical up to the shoulder. Put another way, I’d feel much more comfortable pursuing coastal brown bear with a .300 Magnum and premium 200- or 220-grain bullets than I would with any 7mm, irrespective of velocity, though I’d much prefer a three-seven-five for that job. Ballistic data for original 7.62x51mm military cartridge was obtained from Inetres. They've both done their share of killing. Just like you’d expect, the .243 Winchester loads have a higher velocity and flatter trajectory than the 7mm-08 Remington loads, which in turn fire bullets at a higher velocity and with a flatter trajectory than the .308 Winchester loads. It was the choice of bullet weight which hooked my father on .30-caliber, though truth be told, I've never seen him use anything heavier than 200-grain bullets, and I’ve loaded all his ammo for the last quarter century. Jon Sundra, who’s been writing articles longer than I've been alive, is one. Last week I was in my local gun store and saw my first ever 7mm-08. .308 vs. 7mm-08 There is a catch: a 140 grain 7mm bullet differs considerably from a 150 grain .30 caliber bullet. Even though the cartridges share the same roots, there is a pretty big difference in the ballistics of each cartridge that reflects the different priorities wildcatters had when designing the .243 and 7mm-08. Just put the bullet in the right place and you’re all done, no need for all the weird cartridges.” So sayeth my father. I have a dedicated deer rifle in the 308 Winchester. Many of these companies also make a youth model line of rifles for young hunters chambered in these cartridges as well. We've got you covered.• 6.5 Weatherby RPM vs. 6.5 PRC• .338 Win. Buy Reviews On A 7mm Vs A 308 Rifle And Ruger 308 Precision Rifle Long Range Scope Reviews On A 7mm Vs A 308 Rifle And Ruger 308 Precision Rifle Long Range Scop Even though it also performed very well in the hands of American Soldiers and Marines in World War II, leaders in the military began looking for a replacement for the .30-06 after the war. I’m building a 7mm-08 because they are super efficient in short barrel (weight savings and reloading costs, but also barrel life). 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The .243 Winchester and 7mm-08 Remington are the two most popular examples of cartridges developed by necking down the .308 Winchester to shoot smaller diameter bullets. WWII The 7mm and 8mm mausers and 06 were it. The .308 case gave wildcatters fresh clay to sculpt, and within a decade of the .308’s release, somebody came up with the 7mm-.308, a necked-down version of the .308 that held 7mm bullets. Buy a great 7mm-08 Remington hunting rifle here. 7mm-08 vs .308 win? The .243 Winchester, 7mm-08 Remington, and .308 Winchester are all excellent rifle cartridges, albeit ones with very different strengths and weaknesses. The .244/6mm Remington was not a commercial success for the company, but Remington got the chance for redemption a few decades later when they finally legitimized another wildcat derivative of the .308 Winchester. I used the Hornady Ballistic calculator and Shooters Calculator to compare wind drift, the range each bullet goes subsonic, and recoil for the cartridges. The 7mm-08 Remington uses the same .284″ bullets as the 7mm Mauser and the 7mm Remington Magnum and fills the gap between the .243 Winchester and the .308 Winchester. The .30-calibers use bullets weighing between 100 or 110 grains (usually reserved for the .30 M1 Carbine) and 220 grains, with the extremes as heavy as 250 grains. Just like with ammunition, .308 rifles are the most common and 7mm-08 rifles are the least common. They are both great entry level cartridges for new hunters as well as smaller framed hunters like women and children. I would go on to embrace the 7mm-08 Remington, the .275 Rigby/7x57mm Mauser and the .280 Ackley Improved over the years, all giving more than satisfactory performance in the field and at the bench. Then come back and talk about how good your 308 is and how much better the 7 is. It still seems that every new hunting rifle that is released is initially available in .30-06 Springfield; it remains a staple in our industry. 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